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Re: Joy Reid Still Has A Job

#11 Post by k.d. » Sun Jun 03, 2018 8:14 pm

Listen to almost any rap song and you will hear stuff a hundred times worse than anything Roseanne said and it is accepted or be a black person who orders nothing from Starbuck's yet can take up seating and the bathrooms because...
And then the company closes down over 8,000 stores to train employees how to appease these people. You don't call that 'privilege'?
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Re: Joy Reid Still Has A Job

#12 Post by j.p. » Mon Jun 04, 2018 7:12 am

k.d. wrote:
Sun Jun 03, 2018 8:14 pm
Listen to almost any rap song and you will hear stuff a hundred times worse than anything Roseanne said and it is accepted or be a black person who orders nothing from Starbuck's yet can take up seating and the bathrooms because...
And then the company closes down over 8,000 stores to train employees how to appease these people. You don't call that 'privilege'?
What !
The privilege of getting handcuffed in an instance where a non black person would not ?
The privilege of a company expecting it's employees not to act like jerks ?
The privilege of many americans not going ballistic when someone doesn't sing like Pat Boone ?

That's some pretty twisted logic

Do you feel that you are being forced to "appease these people" ?

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Re: Joy Reid Still Has A Job

#13 Post by k.d. » Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:19 am

Joy Reid has the benefit of being black and getting away with stuff white people can't say. That is the bottom line. Similarly, black rappers can say the most crude, disgusting and violent crap with no fear of retribution.
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Re: Joy Reid Still Has A Job

#14 Post by j.p. » Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:37 am

k.d. wrote:
Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:19 am
Joy Reid has the benefit of being black and getting away with stuff white people can't say. That is the bottom line. Similarly, black rappers can say the most crude, disgusting and violent crap with no fear of retribution.
Not so sure about Reid getting away with anything, but I can understand both statements. But I still maintain that it is the market that makes it so. When NBC starts losing money, Reid is gone. When people stop buying rap, the genre fades into obscurity.

As far as "crude, disgusting and violent crap" What retribution does the video games, porn industry, MMA, satanic death metal bands etc get ?

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Re: Joy Reid Still Has A Job

#15 Post by k.d. » Mon Jun 04, 2018 12:14 pm

The market had no bearing whatsoever on Roseanne's cancellation. Ironically, the axe chopping was done by a black woman, Channing Dungey, ABC Entertainment President.
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Re: Joy Reid Still Has A Job

#16 Post by j.p. » Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:14 am

k.d. wrote:
Mon Jun 04, 2018 12:14 pm
The market had no bearing whatsoever on Roseanne's cancellation. Ironically, the axe chopping was done by a black woman, Channing Dungey, ABC Entertainment President.
You underestimate the power of capitalism and free markets.

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Re: Joy Reid Still Has A Job

#17 Post by k.d. » Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:23 am

That I don't understand free markets is just silly. What I understand is that we don't have free markets, or the market would have decided the fate of the Roseanne show, not some black woman in Hollywood.

I'll let Jack Kerwick explain this to you.
Roseanne, one of the most popular series of all time and the most highly rated show at the present moment, has been unceremoniously cancelled by ABC because of a single tweet—a “racist” tweet, according to everyone in Big Media, including and tellingly Big Conservative media—fired off by its leading lady.

Roseanne Barr tweeted on Tuesday that Valerie Jarrett, senior adviser to Barack Obama, looked like the offspring of the Muslim Brotherhood and The Planet of the Apes.

Jarrett, as it turns out (and this was news to some of us) has some African ancestry. Thus, Barr’s ape reference in connection with Jarrett has been ruled by Respectable Society as an act of—what else?—racism!

Not only is this an act of racism, it is an unequivocal act of racism. It’s racist-“hate!”

Those in Big Conservative media are busy complaining (as usual) about “the double standards” of their leftist counterparts. Yet they have been just as tenacious in condemning Barr for her “racist” tweet as the latter.

Some thoughts:

First, there is a vast, omnipresent industry in this country that few people are willing to recognize for what it is: the Racism-Industrial-Complex (RIC). The agents and profiteers of RIC absolutely need to further the perception that what they call “racism” is an incorrigible, “systemic,” “structural,” or “institutional” feature of daily American life. The term “racism,” though spoken of as if it had a unitary, self-evident meaning, is used in wildly disparate contexts: From Nazis to the Klan to Paula Deen and, now, Roseanne Barr, apparently, a racist is a racist is a racist.

Obviously, however, a term that’s been made this elastic has been divested of meaning. A definition is in order. But this is exactly the point:

The Titans of RIC—activists, academics, Diversity consultants, politicians, and a whole lot of other folks—cannot permit closer inspection of “racism.” The term must remain chameleonic. Its value derives precisely from its abstract character, its readiness to be enlisted in the service of the cause of the day.

We cannot approach this controversy within which Barr has embroiled herself without understanding it in the light of RIC, an industry more immense than any other and from which untold numbers of people regularly reap benefits of every conceivable sort.

Second, contrary to the conventional wisdom, Barr’s tweet was not obviously racially-charged, let alone “racist.”

For starters, she remarked on Wednesday that she didn’t even know that Jarrett was black. This is eminently credible, for neither did I know that Jarret is (partially) black. In any event, it’s far from clear that she is of any African ancestry. This being said, if it’s not “racist” to liken Ronald Reagan, George W. Bush, and Donald Trump to monkeys, since they are not black, then shouldn’t it follow that neither is the same kind of remark aimed at a person who is believed to be non-black “racist?”

Furthermore, let’s suppose that Barr knew that Jarrett was black. So what? Unlike “nigger,” which has a history explicitly, uniquely peculiar to blacks, derogatory monkey references to humans have no such history. It could’ve easily been the case that Barr likened to an ape, not a black woman, but a woman who happened to be black.

In calling Jarrett, who in no clear way possesses any Afro-centric features, the offspring of apes Barr could’ve intended to call attention to what she took to be Jarrett’s unattractiveness, or maybe her incompetence or idiocy. That is, she could’ve been motivated by the same sorts of considerations that animate the critics of Reagan, Bush, Trump, and other whites to mock them through ape analogies.

Third, the readiness with which the elites of Respectable Society, in one voice, convicted Barr of the worst of offenses of which a white person can be convicted in today’s world, requires either an inability or an unwillingness to think through this issue all of the two minutes that it takes. Doubtless, many talkers and scribblers are not especially bright. Others, though, are driven first and foremost by their aching desire to be accepted by the Politically Correct Master Class, that Respectable Society of which they consider themselves members.

Fourth, the speed with which Roseanne Barr, of all people, is being reduced to persona non grata over this one incident is a revealing commentary on the times. She is among the most famous living people, a female Jewish Democrat who infamously grabbed her crotch during the playing of the national anthem decades ago. She is no conservative and but a qualified Trump-supporter whose new show is hardly the reactionary statement that her right-leaning admirers have made it out to be.

And everyone knows it.

To prove that they are not simply trying to ingratiate themselves to the agents of RIC, that they aren’t virtue-signaling, all of those who are now trying to distance themselves from Barr should forego every penny that she ever made them. Those at ABC, as well as her fellow cast members and those who worked behind the scenes for her show, should pledge to return every penny of the blood money that they earned courtesy of this frothing-at-the-mouth Racist!

For the record, I’ve never been a fan of Roseanne Barr, and I’ve never been among Roseanne’s viewers. But the truth is the truth, and the truth is that the Racism-Industrial-Complex is a juggernaut that never sleeps.

Roseanne is just the latest one of its prey.
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Re: Joy Reid Still Has A Job

#18 Post by j.p. » Tue Jun 05, 2018 2:24 pm

Well duh ! Ya didn't have to make me read all that psychobabble to make your point. Putting aside the histrionics and pseudo-intellectualism of the article, "RIC", or something much less exaggerated, does exist. I don't think there is much of a debate, I certainly had to live with it in my job.

Anyway, it's irrelevant. Companies that wish to stay in business, or in the case of ABC, maximize profits, pay close attention to the values and attitudes of their clientele. They don't care how those values are formed, why would they ? Actions such as the one ABC took are monetized, both indirectly and directly. There are economic terms for that: utility and goodwill. Some of it actually makes it on the balance sheet.

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Re: Joy Reid Still Has A Job

#19 Post by k.d. » Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:18 pm

Again, the markets decided nothing, a black woman did.
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Re: Joy Reid Still Has A Job

#20 Post by j.p. » Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:20 pm

k.d. wrote:
Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:18 pm
Again, the markets decided nothing, a black woman did.
Who answers to the stockholders. And who would certainly be replaced if she caused ABC to lose money.

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